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Offline Craig Weis

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Nothing new here...
« on: September 26, 2009, 06:47:25 PM »
So does anybody own a Legacy? I bet Hutchins has not sold enough copies to pay for the mold yet.
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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2009, 08:54:21 PM »
SKIP, THE PROBLEM WITH MANUFACTURING A GREAT PRODUCT, BOAT, IS ARE THEY ARE LOVED AND HAVE MATERIALS THAT LAST. I HAVE A RESTORED 1948 FORD 8N TRACTOR THAT WILL PROBABLY LAST ANOTHER FIFTY YEARS, I SURE WONT. MY 1978 CP 16 WILL PROBABLY LAST ANOTHER THIRTY YEARS. WHEN A MANUFACTOR HAS REALIZED THE SALES POTENTIAL OF HIS PRODUCT AND CANNOT REPEAT THE VOLUME ITS TIME FOR SOMETHING NEW OR DIE. JUST SOME THOUGHTS FROM MY OTHER LIFE BEFORE RETIREMENT........PHIL

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Re: Nothing new here...Activity Wise
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 11:31:37 AM »
It's a good Sunday Morning Gentlemen I invited Pink Floyd~Dark Side of the Moon to fill my ear phones, Ohhhhh Boyyyyyy can you say jammin?

And goosebumps up and down the arms...strange, it's the same as when I head a slick [UH-1] thawack-thawack-thawack coming in at four foot, with the door...well never mind, can't explain it.

The CP-16 was replaced so to speak with Legacy. I can't say I care for the looks of this replacement hull nor do I relish the lack of a deck to walk forward on. A ledge is provided. Lets review what the Legacy has going for it.
Well the bow shape is OK. Better then up and down. It's got a little sheer. I really dislike reverse transoms. I could never own a Tartan for this reason. I'm more of a 'wine glass transom' shape sailor. "So what do we say when we see a good looking boat? Huba, Huba." Just remember the angle of the dangle is equal to the mass of the ass. Or inverse.
So she is...
16'-6" LOA,
14'-3" LWL,
6'-0" Beam,
1000 LB Displacement,
400 LB ballast,
16" Short Draft,
3'-6" Long Draft,
130 sqft Sail Area,
22 ft Top-O-Mast to Water.
$11k
St'd stuff: BoomTendr, Quick 3/4 Rig, ss Ct'r Board, 6'-6" cockpit. [Good for naps] self bailing cockpit, Cabin Hatches, Bow Sprit, Anchor roller, Chain Pipe w/Locker, Bow & Stern Pulpit, Cleats, Kick-up Rudder [awkward IMHO], ss Moto Bracket, a place for the head, 2 Births, Nice Tiller.

Beyond that is the usual ancillary and expensive creature comforts.  
In short it's a fine day sailer and boat camping weekender. And can be towed by nearly a bicycle if Barry Ofama gets his way. Exactly the intent.

I did sit and nose around inside a Legacy at the sail boat show. I liked it. It's just not my boat.

"My wife and I climbed aboard a new Legacy at the Philadelphia Boat Show in January. The first thing we found is that the reduced cockpit depth due to the addition of foam floatation reduced sitting comfot in our opinion. Your legs do not have as much room in the foot well compared to an "old" 16. Since we spen lots of time sitting in our boat, this is important to us.

On the other hand, the looks and other attributes of the Legacy were fine. The addition of the flotation material is a good thing too, but a trade off with space."


WAIT one minute. The foam is to quiet the hull, not to float the hull, and to keep the sole of the cockpit from stress cracking when walked on, same as my C P-19 me thinks. I could be wrong. But i'm not going to crunch the number on this one.

It be time for some Van Halen..."I heard the news baby, all about your desease...You know your semi good looking, and on the streets again..."

As ANY Trekkie would say:,"Scutorum nostrorum potestatis remanet solummondo quarta pars, et istae scintillae ridiculae ex omnibus claviaturis gubernatoriis evolant!!".

"Our shields are down to 25 percent and those stupid sparks are coming out of all the control panels!!"


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Offline Steve Ullrich

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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 01:06:28 PM »
Nice picture David.  I have an '88 16/3.  Except for the compass and the wrong name on her side she looks just like mine.  Nice boat!
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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 02:40:59 PM »
David, where is all your crap at?!  Here is what mine looks like:



Ahoy Steve,

Thanks!  Did not want to sell her!  Had her for three years!  Took lots of wonderful trips with my daughter Kit.  She's 11 now so we had to trade up!  The CP 19/3 is a fantastic boat!  Very solid and seaworthy!  Believe the 88' and 89' model years were one of the bes,t becasue they came with ocean hatch and all the teak and carpet inside.  We really miss her!  Though you might like to look inside her cabin to see how we fixed her up!  Fair weather!

David


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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 05:02:02 PM »
David - I have the seaduffs too. Here is a shot of the starboard hull...



The port seaduff is full too.  As you can see, I'm carrying way too much "crap" but I just don't know what I'd leave at home.  It all seems so necessary.   I have a small cooler stuffed under the companionway. Nothing on the berths... but I suppose I could pack plenty of crap in there too.  If I end up making a trip to Superior for a couple of days I'll have to toss in the sleeping bags, camp stove, lantern... seems like no end to the essentials.  BTW, I wish I had those cockpit cushions, those are sweet.  The cabin on your 19 looks homey. I'll bet it is a nice place to spend a weekend.  I never found a 19 for sale before I found my 16/3 or I probably would have bought one.  Definitely a lot more usable space in the 19's cabin...

Steve
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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 06:05:32 PM »
David - I do have the bimini as well as the teak grate.  I refinished the grate last Spring.  Looks so good I didn't want to put it back in the boat where it would get scratched up.  We've never used the bimini, neither did the previous owner, it looks like new.  We generally sail on area lakes where you can see all shores and rarely need any electronics. We don't even need a compas or depth finder.  I bought a hand held GPS and the VHF radio to go sailing with Nate Donay up on Mille Lacs.  Only used the VHF radio on that trip and I've used the hand held GPS in the car for trips a lot more than on the boat.  $4.00 per cushion? That's a great deal... I need to cruse Walmart more often.  Were they bench cushions or what?  Huh, that plants a seed.  I'll see what I can find in cushions made for other purposes. The Bottomsiders are outrageous.  I'm sure they would be good for the bum... I'd need them after my wife kicked me for buying them. The cabin is pretty clean, the whole boat is for that matter.  She was always kept out of the water and covered by the previous owners. They always shrink wrapped her for the winter too.  Well cared for and I'd like to think it is in even better shape now than when I bought her.  New anchor, chain, rode. New foil rudder, new sails, new sheets and halyards, new trailer tires/bearings/winch/tie downs... I had a lot of fun refitting her this summer.  More to do, always true on any of the sailboats I've owned. Only three though: 1973 O'Day 20, 1986 Hunter 23 and my 1988 Com-Pac 16/3.

Steve

Ahoy Steve,

We struggled for space on our 16/3 too!  The cushions for the cockpit we bought on sale at Walmart for $4.00 per cushion.  Believe me they were worth it!  I had a new 86' Pearson 28 years ago, and never bought cushions for the cockpit.  How dumb was I, and at the time money was definitely not an issue!  Does your 16/3 have a bimini?  That's a must!  A teak cockpit floor is nice too!  Helps keep sand and dirt from scratching the fiberglass, and from getting into the cabin.  I believe you said you've got a hand held VHF.  That's what we had.  A Uniden Atlantis 250, but we should have had a fixed 25W VHF radio.  There is a great place to mount one in the cabin if your interested!  The antenna is pretty simple to mount near the top of the mast!  Picture looks great!  Your cabin looks very clean, and appears to be in great shape!  Keep sailing!

David
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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 08:33:46 PM »
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   To reply: I remember reading some Hutchins stuff somewhere...maybe on thier website about how marina and mooring space is going to get costly and rare. Thier idea for the Legacy was a trailerable sailboat that was easy to launch and retrieve. The Legacy certainly beats the 16 in both catagories. Draws much less with the board up and the convenience of the hinged mast is a nice touch for a fast set-up. I'm not a big fan of the Mast-tender system. The hinge used on the Marshall Catboats is mucho more strong and pretty.
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Re: Nothing new here...
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 09:20:48 PM »
I've been waiting months to reply to this (waiting for my registration to be validated, many thanks to the poobah who handles that!)

Ya, I have a Legacy, hull #17. How about anyone else?
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