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Offline mayrel

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newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« on: June 14, 2015, 08:37:52 AM »
Our CP19 has fairleads at the forward edge of the cockpit coaming, winches aft, fairlead cam cleats and horn cleats aft.  We also have genoa tracks with sliding blocks.  The owners manual shows jib sheets run through the shrouds, to the coaming fairlead then to the winches and horn cleats.  Another depiction shows sheets run outside shrouds to the genoa tracks/blocks, then to the winches and horn cleats.  I believe with our stock jib, the sheets should run through the shrouds, coaming fairlead and to winches and fairlead cam cleats or horn cleats. I think the fairlead cam cleats were optional and/or added by PO.  We have a 135 genoa coming.  When it arrives I believe we should run the sheets outside the shrouds, thru the genoa track blocks/cars, then to the winches and horn cleats.  do I have this correct?
We've sailed in 5-7mph winds and 11-15mph winds.  Currently I have the jib sheets run outside the shrouds, to the genoa blocks/cars(set forward three adjustment points from the forward end of the track), and to the fairlead cam cleats.  In mild winds all went well.  I heavier winds sheeting in the jib was difficult.  I believe this was due to my incorrectly running the working jib sheets outside the shrouds and to the genoa blocks/car too far forward putting a strain on the fairlead cam cleats.  At least we didn't break anything, but I know I'm doing something wrong.  I have owned and sailed many small open day sailors, but I'm inexperienced with winches, genoa tracks, blocks and cars.  I believe we should be running the sheets to minimize any tension and angles according to the sail.  Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated...Somewhat confused older guy...John

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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2015, 09:28:42 AM »
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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 08:58:06 PM »
Thanks Billy...I emailed Skip for a photo of his stainless protective Chris Craft modification to keep the sheets from sawing through the fiberglass....John

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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM »
Here's what I did for my genoa sheet lead on our 19....one of the best things I did to the boat, without question.

http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=5676.0
"Island Time" 1998 Com-pac 19XL # 603

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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2015, 01:02:30 PM »
Salty, looks good to me.  I have swiveling fairlead cam cleats on my boat(installed by PO).  The problem I have with using them in conjunction with the winches is, the sheet frequently self-jams in the cleat when coming about.  Although I haven't tried this yet, using the winch and horn cleats only, it might take a little more effort to release a tightened sheet to adjust the sail, but it should be more efficient with no chance of the sheet getting prematurely cleated. 
I do like your setup of adding another block to the genoa track.  This might eliminate the problem of the sheet sawing on the coaming running from the winches.  Thanks...John

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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2015, 06:19:44 PM »
Yes, it does solve the fiberglass sawing issue caused by the sheet, which occurred to me too.  It also is super easy to cleat, adjust, and release to tack.  Like I said, one of the best mods I made to the boat.
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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 07:54:50 AM »
I guess I'm just old fashioned, so I am going to remove the swivel fairlead cam cleats and just use the horn cleats in conjunction with the winches and genoa blocks/track.  I could be wrong, but I don't think the sheets are going to saw through the coaming considering the kind sailing we will be doing.  My reasoning for removing this swivel cleats is twofold;  they're too close to the winches and they are in line with the winch and horn cleats.  And we're installing a 135 genoa, so I'll be using the winches and genoa blocks/cars all the time.
I do appreciate everyones input...thanks, John

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Re: newbie CP19 sailor...jib sheet question
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 09:27:17 AM »
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A few minor changes to this document about my particular boat aside from extra length added to some lines.
All 12 volt lamps are now LED. Factory cabin light is white or red selective from West Marine.

Additional items to be stowed on any boat. I use two three ring notebooks. One for documents. One for manuals. All sheets in proactive clear covers.
~Boating regulations and boating handbook for the state the boat is registered in.
~DNR Boat Registration or Yacht Documentation. Display current registration sticker on hull.
~The Wisconsin Certificate of title and Registration for boat trailer.
~Copy of latest U.S. Coast Guard and U.S.P.S. Vessel Safety check. Display current sticker on boat.
~Com Pac Yacht owner's manual. A spare parts list and price sheet.
~Harken Furling Instruction manual. Spinnaker and shoot scoop. Sail tell tails. Pamphlet of knots. Quick charts, Phone book and cell phone. Zip loc & Garbage bags.
~Bill of sale and part numbers for every thing ever purchased for the boat.
~Electronics, antennas, engine manuals, port-o-pottys, PFD's, Tiller locks, and much more, spare pins and keepers, crimpers and El. connections, wire, general tape.
~Spare Davis anchor lamp, fuel filter, tools, spark plug, dock lines, fenders, butane hot plate, electric tape, fuel line & clamps, sharp knifes, sealants, & winch handle.
~Cooler, water, bun wad, blanket, warm clothes, first aid kit w/extras, Didi Mau abandon ship bag, flairs and gun, orange flag, smoke. Kerosene lamp. And misc. items.
~Surprisingly it all fits. Added storage in front of compression post under vee birth.


Anyone want to build a model of a CP-19? Just pick a scale [1/2 inch = 1 foot] copy/print/ blow up on a copy machine/sand a glued foam blocks to shape from these templates. 

   

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